MORST event on Publicly-Funded Research Data
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- Latest post made by Isabella.Cawthorn at 2010 Jul 29 17:25 NZST
Hi all I'm disappointed this event hasn't been publicised via this list. http://www.morst.govt.nz/about/News/Data-Matters/ Hit tip to Julian Carver who mentioned it on Twitter. "Making the Most of Publicly-Funded Research Data 9am 5pm, 15 July 2010 Rangimarie Rooms, Te Papa, Cable St, Wellington The Ministry of Research, Science and Technology, supported by the National Library of New Zealand and the Royal Society of New Zealand, is hosting a one-day event to discuss issues surrounding the long-term management of publicly-funded research data." IMO, access to open govt data includes to publicly-funded science data. Especially data from sensors, e.g. pollution, rainfall, river flows, etc. I'm disappointed that much science data is currently unavailable to the public, either because agencies are seeking cost recoveries (or even to make a profit from the data), or the data is pre-processed to just a graphic (http://edenz.niwa.co.nz/map/plot?name=Buller+at+Longford+%28River+Flow%29 ) or the data is only available via proprietary technology (.Net for http://ecoconnect.niwa.co.nz/). I hope some on this list can make it along and agitate for true open data.
Regards Jonathan -- http://huntdesign.co.nz
CRIs like NIWA are expected by the government to pay for themselves as much as possible. It is sad to see how much time scientists have to spend in counting hours, project management, finding funding etc. Even so practically all data collected by NIWA is available to the public. The example given for Buller river flow is indeed a chart - however data is also available for download from the same page - unfortunately not real time enough to run the service that Jonathan wants. Almost all other physical measurements are available from the Climate database in near real time. Things are changing though. I have been pushing the open data policy through the company. The governments recent CRI review is leading to less emphasis on profits for the CRI specifically and more on the benefit for NZ as a whole and we are seeing more funding for 'infrastructure' projects. Two new services released by my team this year. High Intensity Rainfall Design System HIRDS http://hirds.niwa.co.nz/, and Solarview http://solarview.niwa.co.nz/ both provide a human Web User Interface and a C2C service - ReST interface. As will future services where this makes sense. New systems will be based on open standards and non proprietary technology too. There is a ton of work though to go back through all the 50+ existing services and re-invent them for modern usage and we are a small team. My biggest priority at the moment is to put a metadata catalog online and get it populated with all the NIWA assets. Regards Andrew
On 10 July 2010 16:33, <email obscured>> wrote: > Hi all > > I'm disappointed this event hasn't been publicised via this list. > > http://www.morst.govt.nz/about/News/Data-Matters/ > > Hit tip to Julian Carver who mentioned it on Twitter. > > "Making the Most of Publicly-Funded Research Data > 9am – 5pm, 15 July 2010 > Rangimarie Rooms, Te Papa, Cable St, Wellington > The Ministry of Research, Science and Technology, supported by the > National Library of New Zealand and the Royal Society of New Zealand, is > hosting a one-day event to discuss issues surrounding the long-term > management of publicly-funded research data." > > IMO, access to open govt data includes to publicly-funded science data. > Especially data from sensors, e.g. pollution, rainfall, river flows, etc. > > I'm disappointed that much science data is currently unavailable to the > public, either because agencies are seeking cost recoveries (or even to > make a profit from the data), or the data is pre-processed to just a > graphic > (http://edenz.niwa.co.nz/map/plot?name=Buller+at+Longford+%28River+Flow%29 > ) or the data is only available via proprietary technology (.Net for > http://ecoconnect.niwa.co.nz/). > > I hope some on this list can make it along and agitate for true open data. > > Regards > Jonathan > > -- > http://huntdesign.co.nz > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Full text of this topic in The Open Government Ninjas: > http://groups.open.org.nz/r/topic/crwAZvaGmRN7srwr6vHjv > > To leave The Open Government Ninjas, email > <email obscured>?Subject=unsubscribe > > Start your own free groups and site with > OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net > > Host your own online groups site with > GroupServer http://groupserver.org >
Hello Andrew is there a catalog somewhere of where to find all those services? Perhaps the biggest directory of science information in New Zealand (depending on how to measure big) is http://nzresearch.org.nz/ , (run by the National Library) which aggregates institutional repositories such as http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/ (run by VUW / me). Bear in mind, however, that there are many research outputs, particularly historical MSc's and PhD's which we don't have the copyright to put on the web. In most cases libraries are digitising these anyway but restricting access to on-campus networks and/or interloans. In 2012 there is a new PBRF round and I expect that most research outputs for it will be served from these repositories, which means there's going to be a huge surge in ingested content.
cheers stuart On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Andrew Watkins <email obscured>> wrote: > CRIs like NIWA are expected by the government to pay for themselves as > much as possible. It is sad to see how much time scientists have to > spend in counting hours, project management, finding funding etc. > > Even so practically all data collected by NIWA is available to the > public. The example given for Buller river flow is indeed a chart - > however data is also available for download from the same page - > unfortunately not real time enough to run the service that Jonathan > wants. Almost all other physical measurements are available from the > Climate database in near real time. > > Things are changing though. I have been pushing the open data policy > through the company. The governments recent CRI review is leading to > less emphasis on profits for the CRI specifically and more on the > benefit for NZ as a whole and we are seeing more funding for > 'infrastructure' projects. > > Two new services released by my team this year. High Intensity > Rainfall Design System HIRDS http://hirds.niwa.co.nz/, and Solarview > http://solarview.niwa.co.nz/ both provide a human Web User Interface > and a C2C service - ReST interface. As will future services where > this makes sense. > New systems will be based on open standards and non proprietary technology too. > > There is a ton of work though to go back through all the 50+ existing > services and re-invent them for modern usage and we are a small team. > My biggest priority at the moment is to put a metadata catalog online > and get it populated with all the NIWA assets. > > Regards Andrew > > On 10 July 2010 16:33, <email obscured>> wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I'm disappointed this event hasn't been publicised via this list. >> >> http://www.morst.govt.nz/about/News/Data-Matters/ >> >> Hit tip to Julian Carver who mentioned it on Twitter. >> >> "Making the Most of Publicly-Funded Research Data >> 9am – 5pm, 15 July 2010 >> Rangimarie Rooms, Te Papa, Cable St, Wellington >> The Ministry of Research, Science and Technology, supported by the >> National Library of New Zealand and the Royal Society of New Zealand, is >> hosting a one-day event to discuss issues surrounding the long-term >> management of publicly-funded research data." >> >> IMO, access to open govt data includes to publicly-funded science data. >> Especially data from sensors, e.g. pollution, rainfall, river flows, etc. >> >> I'm disappointed that much science data is currently unavailable to the >> public, either because agencies are seeking cost recoveries (or even to >> make a profit from the data), or the data is pre-processed to just a >> graphic >> (http://edenz.niwa.co.nz/map/plot?name=Buller+at+Longford+%28River+Flow%29 >> ) or the data is only available via proprietary technology (.Net for >> http://ecoconnect.niwa.co.nz/). >> >> I hope some on this list can make it along and agitate for true open data. >> >> Regards >> Jonathan >> >> -- >> http://huntdesign.co.nz >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> Full text of this topic in The Open Government Ninjas: >> http://groups.open.org.nz/r/topic/crwAZvaGmRN7srwr6vHjv >> >> To leave The Open Government Ninjas, email >> <email obscured>?Subject=unsubscribe >> >> Start your own free groups and site with >> OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net >> >> Host your own online groups site with >> GroupServer http://groupserver.org >> > > ----------------------------------------- > Full text of this topic in The Open Government Ninjas: > http://groups.open.org.nz/r/topic/7Hojq8we03n0EjWbEFICtc > > To leave The Open Government Ninjas, email > <email obscured>?Subject=unsubscribe > > Start your own free groups and site with > OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net > > Host your own online groups site with > GroupServer http://groupserver.org >
It is an ongoing cause of disappointment for me that some individuals continue to blame CRI's for doing what they are required to do under the CRI Act. I suggest a more productive approach would be to lobby for changes in the Act to require CRI's & Govt depts to provide more open data. The CRI's are required by the Act to operate as a commercial entity providing a return on equity (profit?) to the shareholder (the Govt). Setting up public access to managed datasets takes resourcing & funding. CRI's are not responsible to the taxpayer, but to their shareholder. If data holdings are an asset, the Act requires a return (generally at 9%) on such assets. Don't blame CRI's for doing what they are required to do under the Act, but blame the Govt & shareholders for continuing with legislation effectively requiring taxpayers to pay CRI's to provide information that the taxpayer funded in the first place. One way around this is to have CRI's funded to make these data publicly available, under commercial contracts. MoRST/FoRST has made some moves in this area, but IMHO this approach is merely a bandaid to fix a fundamentally flawed system. Some changes are coming out of the recent CRI review, time will if these changes will support more open data. Cheers, Brent Wood
--- On Sat, 7/10/10, <email obscured> <email obscured>> wrote: > From: <email obscured> <email obscured>> > Subject: [ninjas] MORST event on Publicly-Funded Research Data > To: <email obscured> > Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 4:33 PM > Hi all > > I'm disappointed this event hasn't been publicised via this > list. > > http://www.morst.govt.nz/about/News/Data-Matters/ > > Hit tip to Julian Carver who mentioned it on Twitter. > > "Making the Most of Publicly-Funded Research Data > 9am 5pm, 15 July 2010 > Rangimarie Rooms, Te Papa, Cable St, Wellington > The Ministry of Research, Science and Technology, supported > by the > National Library of New Zealand and the Royal Society of > New Zealand, is > hosting a one-day event to discuss issues surrounding the > long-term > management of publicly-funded research data." > > IMO, access to open govt data includes to publicly-funded > science data. > Especially data from sensors, e.g. pollution, rainfall, > river flows, etc. > > I'm disappointed that much science data is currently > unavailable to the > public, either because agencies are seeking cost recoveries > (or even to > make a profit from the data), or the data is pre-processed > to just a > graphic > (http://edenz.niwa.co.nz/map/plot?name=Buller+at+Longford+%28River+Flow%29 > ) or the data is only available via proprietary technology > (.Net for > http://ecoconnect.niwa.co.nz/). > > I hope some on this list can make it along and agitate for > true open data. > > Regards > Jonathan > > -- > http://huntdesign.co.nz > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Full text of this topic in The Open Government Ninjas: > http://groups.open.org.nz/r/topic/crwAZvaGmRN7srwr6vHjv > > To leave The Open Government Ninjas, email > <email obscured>?Subject=unsubscribe > > Start your own free groups and site with > OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net > > Host your own online groups site with > GroupServer http://groupserver.org >
As I said earlier we will have a metadata catalog available soon. The service is up and running -based on Geonetwork. but the significantly larger job is populating it. Andrew PS. also speaking in a personal capacity On 11 July 2010 09:59, Stuart A. Yeates <email obscured>> wrote: > Hello Andrew is there a catalog somewhere of where to find all those services?
> > Perhaps the biggest directory of science information in New Zealand > (depending on how to measure big) is http://nzresearch.org.nz/ , (run > by the National Library) which aggregates institutional repositories > such as http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/ (run by VUW / me). Bear in > mind, however, that there are many research outputs, particularly > historical MSc's and PhD's which we don't have the copyright to put on > the web. In most cases libraries are digitising these anyway but > restricting access to on-campus networks and/or interloans. In 2012 > there is a new PBRF round and I expect that most research outputs for > it will be served from these repositories, which means there's going > to be a huge surge in ingested content. > > cheers > stuart > > On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Andrew Watkins <email obscured>> wrote: >> CRIs like NIWA are expected by the government to pay for themselves as >> much as possible. It is sad to see how much time scientists have to >> spend in counting hours, project management, finding funding etc. >> >> Even so practically all data collected by NIWA is available to the >> public. The example given for Buller river flow is indeed a chart - >> however data is also available for download from the same page - >> unfortunately not real time enough to run the service that Jonathan >> wants. Almost all other physical measurements are available from the >> Climate database in near real time. >> >> Things are changing though. I have been pushing the open data policy >> through the company. The governments recent CRI review is leading to >> less emphasis on profits for the CRI specifically and more on the >> benefit for NZ as a whole and we are seeing more funding for >> 'infrastructure' projects. >> >> Two new services released by my team this year. High Intensity >> Rainfall Design System HIRDS http://hirds.niwa.co.nz/, and Solarview >> http://solarview.niwa.co.nz/ both provide a human Web User Interface >> and a C2C service - ReST interface. As will future services where >> this makes sense. >> New systems will be based on open standards and non proprietary technology too. >> >> There is a ton of work though to go back through all the 50+ existing >> services and re-invent them for modern usage and we are a small team. >> My biggest priority at the moment is to put a metadata catalog online >> and get it populated with all the NIWA assets. >> >> Regards Andrew >> >> On 10 July 2010 16:33, <email obscured>> wrote: >>> Hi all >>> >>> I'm disappointed this event hasn't been publicised via this list. >>> >>> http://www.morst.govt.nz/about/News/Data-Matters/ >>> >>> Hit tip to Julian Carver who mentioned it on Twitter. >>> >>> "Making the Most of Publicly-Funded Research Data >>> 9am – 5pm, 15 July 2010 >>> Rangimarie Rooms, Te Papa, Cable St, Wellington >>> The Ministry of Research, Science and Technology, supported by the >>> National Library of New Zealand and the Royal Society of New Zealand, is >>> hosting a one-day event to discuss issues surrounding the long-term >>> management of publicly-funded research data." >>> >>> IMO, access to open govt data includes to publicly-funded science data. >>> Especially data from sensors, e.g. pollution, rainfall, river flows, etc. >>> >>> I'm disappointed that much science data is currently unavailable to the >>> public, either because agencies are seeking cost recoveries (or even to >>> make a profit from the data), or the data is pre-processed to just a >>> graphic >>> (http://edenz.niwa.co.nz/map/plot?name=Buller+at+Longford+%28River+Flow%29 >>> ) or the data is only available via proprietary technology (.Net for >>> http://ecoconnect.niwa.co.nz/). >>> >>> I hope some on this list can make it along and agitate for true open data. >>> >>> Regards >>> Jonathan >>> >>> -- >>> http://huntdesign.co.nz >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------- >>> Full text of this topic in The Open Government Ninjas: >>> http://groups.open.org.nz/r/topic/crwAZvaGmRN7srwr6vHjv >>> >>> To leave The Open Government Ninjas, email >>> <email obscured>?Subject=unsubscribe >>> >>> Start your own free groups and site with >>> OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net >>> >>> Host your own online groups site with >>> GroupServer http://groupserver.org >>> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> Full text of this topic in The Open Government Ninjas: >> http://groups.open.org.nz/r/topic/7Hojq8we03n0EjWbEFICtc >> >> To leave The Open Government Ninjas, email >> <email obscured>?Subject=unsubscribe >> >> Start your own free groups and site with >> OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net >> >> Host your own online groups site with >> GroupServer http://groupserver.org >> > > ----------------------------------------- > Full text of this topic in The Open Government Ninjas: > http://groups.open.org.nz/r/topic/vGz0lo9gUkfWo0K1rMs1e > > To leave The Open Government Ninjas, email > <email obscured>?Subject=unsubscribe > > Start your own free groups and site with > OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net > > Host your own online groups site with > GroupServer http://groupserver.org >
On Sun, July 11, 2010 9:39 am, Andrew Watkins wrote: > CRIs like NIWA are expected by the government to pay for themselves as > much as possible. It is sad to see how much time scientists have to > spend in counting hours, project management, finding funding etc. Thanks for the response Andrew. I agree, that from the outside, it certainly appears that researchers have to spend way too much time applying for funding and that is not an optimal use of their skills. > Even so practically all data collected by NIWA is available to the > public. The example given for Buller river flow is indeed a chart - > however data is also available for download from the same page - The key parameter (for me, and I suspect others) is the current flow. http://edenz.niwa.co.nz/map/plot?name=Buller+at+Longford+%28River+Flow%29 The scrapable numbers include min and max stage heights, and mean and median cumecs, but not the flow depicted in the chart. The page would be way more useful if that was provided. Also, the page says (C) NIWA, so in the absense of any other licensing info, doesn't make it available for re-use, mashups etc. Can you recommend someone I should talk to about re-using the data presented by EDENZ in other services? > unfortunately not real time enough to run the service that Jonathan > wants. Almost all other physical measurements are available from the > Climate database in near real time. I'm keen to explore this. I've registered, and will have a look around. > Things are changing though. I have been pushing the open data policy > through the company. The governments recent CRI review is leading to > less emphasis on profits for the CRI specifically and more on the > benefit for NZ as a whole and we are seeing more funding for > 'infrastructure' projects. That's great to hear, and that was my interest in seeing open access pushed at this MORST event. > Two new services released by my team this year. High Intensity > Rainfall Design System HIRDS http://hirds.niwa.co.nz/, and Solarview > http://solarview.niwa.co.nz/ both provide a human Web User Interface > and a C2C service - ReST interface. As will future services where > this makes sense. > New systems will be based on open standards and non proprietary technology > too. Andrew, that's great to hear. > There is a ton of work though to go back through all the 50+ existing > services and re-invent them for modern usage and we are a small team. > My biggest priority at the moment is to put a metadata catalog online > and get it populated with all the NIWA assets. I understand that effort will be substantial. I'd like to know on what basis this work will be prioritised; is there an opportunity for public input into the prioritisation of particular datasets and datafeeds, for example? Also, if licensing is sufficiently flexible, I expect that there could be opportunities for third parties to help make some of those datasets available using REST APIs for example.
Regards Jonathan > On 10 July 2010 16:33, <email obscured>> wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I'm disappointed this event hasn't been publicised via this list. >> >> http://www.morst.govt.nz/about/News/Data-Matters/ >> >> Hit tip to Julian Carver who mentioned it on Twitter. >> >> "Making the Most of Publicly-Funded Research Data >> 9am â 5pm, 15 July 2010 >> Rangimarie Rooms, Te Papa, Cable St, Wellington >> The Ministry of Research, Science and Technology, supported by the >> National Library of New Zealand and the Royal Society of New Zealand, is >> hosting a one-day event to discuss issues surrounding the long-term >> management of publicly-funded research data." >> >> IMO, access to open govt data includes to publicly-funded science data. >> Especially data from sensors, e.g. pollution, rainfall, river flows, >> etc. >> >> I'm disappointed that much science data is currently unavailable to the >> public, either because agencies are seeking cost recoveries (or even to >> make a profit from the data), or the data is pre-processed to just a >> graphic >> (http://edenz.niwa.co.nz/map/plot?name=Buller+at+Longford+%28River+Flow%29 >> ) or the data is only available via proprietary technology (.Net for >> http://ecoconnect.niwa.co.nz/). >> >> I hope some on this list can make it along and agitate for true open >> data. >> >> Regards >> Jonathan >> >> -- >> http://huntdesign.co.nz >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> Full text of this topic in The Open Government Ninjas: >> http://groups.open.org.nz/r/topic/crwAZvaGmRN7srwr6vHjv >> >> To leave The Open Government Ninjas, email >> <email obscured>?Subject=unsubscribe >> >> Start your own free groups and site with >> OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net >> >> Host your own online groups site with >> GroupServer http://groupserver.org >> > > ----------------------------------------- > Full text of this topic in The Open Government Ninjas: > http://groups.open.org.nz/r/topic/7Hojq8we03n0EjWbEFICtc > > To leave The Open Government Ninjas, email > <email obscured>?Subject=unsubscribe > > Start your own free groups and site with > OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net > > Host your own online groups site with > GroupServer http://groupserver.org > -- http://huntdesign.co.nz
On Sun, July 11, 2010 11:31 am, <email obscured> wrote: > It is an ongoing cause of disappointment for me that some individuals > continue to blame CRI's for doing what they are required to do under the > CRI Act. Hmm, was I blaming, or critiquing? I intended the latter. > I suggest a more productive approach would be to lobby for changes in the > Act to require CRI's & Govt depts to provide more open data. Agreed, but that will take time. CRIs can take immediate actions to make their data more freely available, and can also be discussing with their stakeholders how to maximise the freedom of the data. > The CRI's are required by the Act to operate as a commercial entity > providing a return on equity (profit?) to the shareholder (the Govt). That's not all they are required to achieve. My understanding is that their research is intended to benefit NZ, and "exhibit a sense of social responsibility by having regard to the interests of the community in which it operates and by endeavouring to accommodate or encourage those interests when able to do." http://www.comu.govt.nz/cri-oem-page2.html My question is how can we use these clear directives to advance the cause of open data? It's a matter of knowing who to talk to in order to get some traction. Is it the funders? the marketing and PR departments? The scientists?
> Setting up public access to managed datasets takes resourcing & funding. > CRI's are not responsible to the taxpayer, but to their shareholder. If > data holdings are an asset, the Act requires a return (generally at 9%) on > such assets. > > Don't blame CRI's for doing what they are required to do under the Act, > but blame the Govt & shareholders for continuing with legislation > effectively requiring taxpayers to pay CRI's to provide information that > the taxpayer funded in the first place. > > One way around this is to have CRI's funded to make these data publicly > available, under commercial contracts. MoRST/FoRST has made some moves in > this area, but IMHO this approach is merely a bandaid to fix a > fundamentally flawed system. I like the idea behind the US approach, where Federal funded research is public domain (or at least significant chunks of it). It annoys me (without intending to lay blame) that when I kayaked in the USA in 1995 we could access current flows and flow trend indicators on most rivers over the internet, and we struggle to achieve that now in 2010. Regards Jonathan > --- On Sat, 7/10/10, <email obscured> > <email obscured>> wrote: > >> From: <email obscured> >> <email obscured>> >> Subject: [ninjas] MORST event on Publicly-Funded Research Data >> To: <email obscured> >> Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 4:33 PM >> Hi all >> >> I'm disappointed this event hasn't been publicised via this >> list. >> >> http://www.morst.govt.nz/about/News/Data-Matters/ >> >> Hit tip to Julian Carver who mentioned it on Twitter. >> >> "Making the Most of Publicly-Funded Research Data >> 9am 5pm, 15 July 2010 >> Rangimarie Rooms, Te Papa, Cable St, Wellington >> The Ministry of Research, Science and Technology, supported >> by the >> National Library of New Zealand and the Royal Society of >> New Zealand, is >> hosting a one-day event to discuss issues surrounding the >> long-term >> management of publicly-funded research data." >> >> IMO, access to open govt data includes to publicly-funded >> science data. >> Especially data from sensors, e.g. pollution, rainfall, >> river flows, etc. >> >> I'm disappointed that much science data is currently >> unavailable to the >> public, either because agencies are seeking cost recoveries >> (or even to >> make a profit from the data), or the data is pre-processed >> to just a >> graphic >> (http://edenz.niwa.co.nz/map/plot?name=Buller+at+Longford+%28River+Flow%29 >> ) or the data is only available via proprietary technology >> (.Net for >> http://ecoconnect.niwa.co.nz/). >> >> I hope some on this list can make it along and agitate for >> true open data. >> >> Regards >> Jonathan >> >> -- >> http://huntdesign.co.nz >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> Full text of this topic in The Open Government Ninjas: >> http://groups.open.org.nz/r/topic/crwAZvaGmRN7srwr6vHjv >> >> To leave The Open Government Ninjas, email >> <email obscured>?Subject=unsubscribe >> >> Start your own free groups and site with >> OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net >> >> Host your own online groups site with >> GroupServer http://groupserver.org >> > > ----------------------------------------- > Full text of this topic in The Open Government Ninjas: > http://groups.open.org.nz/r/topic/1f11W3ZNUXneY6OaZvyguO > > To leave The Open Government Ninjas, email > <email obscured>?Subject=unsubscribe > > Start your own free groups and site with > OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net > > Host your own online groups site with > GroupServer http://groupserver.org > -- http://huntdesign.co.nz
This is a brilliant discussion because it summarises all the issues we've been grappling with. MoRST is supporting the push for open government (i.e. publicly-funded) data through its e-science policy work. e-science (data-driven science) is the "fourth paradigm" in the scientific world, and NZ needs to keep pace. Moreover, e-science provides great vehicles for science-=system changes that are major planks of the CRI Taskforce Review implementation: greater collaboration, strategic thinking and investment, more effective and efficient science, and better end-user connections. So what are MoRST doing? Data management policy is the sociological or "people" element to the e-science work that complements the two "technological" elements (e-science tools and infrastructure, and physical research infrastructure). Because - as you all note - it's tricky to get New Zealanders to make better data-managing decisions in their daily lives, we're taking a new policy approach. We're collaborating with the expertise in the RS&T sector - starting with the environmental arena - to prototype the kinds of initiatives that will make a real difference on the ground. The experiences we gain with the environmental sector will be useful for when we start to work on data management with other RS&T sectors. MoRST's Policy Statement on Environmental Data Management will be on our website on Thursday - for Data Matters - and this "prototyping" work will develop within the broader whole-of-science-system work on e-science. Data Matters is part of this broader work-programme, and MoRST and the National Library focussed on central government agencies that regularly commission research, and the RS&T organisations that provide it. We didn't go to the open.org community this time but we will be running more events like Data Matters. Particularly in New Zealand, it seems, bringing people together and developing some common understanding and shared goals is a really effective way to get things happening.
Economic research has shown that government gets more from providing data for free (and reaping the wider economic and tax benefits) than it does from selling the data. The landmark work compares the eocnomic value of weather data between the US (where it is free) and Europe (where it is charged). the investment value of Public sector information in the US is twice the size of Europe, but the economic value is ten times the size. Original research: http://bit.ly/cByB9x Summarised by Weiss (2002) http://bit.ly/akJKjj (PDF) Similar results in the Power of Information reports in the UK, and the LINZ study last year. This suggests that it is indeed time to look at the CRI Act to see whether it is fit for pupose in a connected data world.
Hi all, I'm facilitating this event tomorrow. As Isabella says, it unfortunately wasn't possible this time for MoRST to include people from the open data community in the workshop (there are 110 registered attendees already from the research funders and providers). I am very hopeful that there'll be barcamp style opportunities in the near future to get the researchers/research data management folks together with people outside the research sector who understand how to build cool and useful things with open data. In the meantime if you have ideas/issues/requests for data/suggestions you think we should be considering at the event tomorrow I'd love to hear them. We've got a couple of hours of group discussion time and I'll make sure your suggestions get included. Email the list, or send suggestions directly to me. You can also follow the proceedings and make suggestions during the day on Twitter using the hashtag #researchdatamatters I'm hugely excited about the changes happening in the science system, the momentum that's building around opening up research data, and the increased impetus that the open government movement is giving this. Hopefully we can bring these efforts closer together and do some truly awesome things.
Julian
Hi Julian, I think Laurence's point is worth discussing: "time to look at the CRI Act to see whether it is fit for pupose in a connected data world." I would also like to see Treasury and Ministry of Transport included in the discussions. MoT negotiate the contract with MetService, which Treasury made a SOE to pay its own way. Regards Mike
On 14/07/2010 9:27 a.m., Julian Carver wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm facilitating this event tomorrow. As Isabella says, it unfortunately > wasn't possible this time for MoRST to include people from the open data > community in the workshop (there are 110 registered attendees already from > the research funders and providers). > > I am very hopeful that there'll be barcamp style opportunities in the near > future to get the researchers/research data management folks together with > people outside the research sector who understand how to build cool and > useful things with open data. > > In the meantime if you have ideas/issues/requests for data/suggestions you > think we should be considering at the event tomorrow I'd love to hear them. > We've got a couple of hours of group discussion time and I'll make sure your > suggestions get included. Email the list, or send suggestions directly to > me. > > You can also follow the proceedings and make suggestions during the day on > Twitter using the hashtag #researchdatamatters > > I'm hugely excited about the changes happening in the science system, the > momentum that's building around opening up research data, and the increased > impetus that the open government movement is giving this. Hopefully we can > bring these efforts closer together and do some truly awesome things. > > Julian > > ----------------------------------------- > Full text of this topic in The Open Government Ninjas: > http://groups.open.org.nz/r/topic/2fPfyHkEpul6khCRn1Gf9f > > To leave The Open Government Ninjas, email > <email obscured>?Subject=unsubscribe > > Start your own free groups and site with > OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net > > Host your own online groups site with > GroupServer http://groupserver.org -- Regards, Mike Pearson +64 21 631 731 http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikepearsonnz skype:mikepearsonnz
One possible use for science outputs is to support and enhance public knowledge and debate. While this is a really amorphous term, there are some real measure one can use, for example http://linkypedia.inkdroid.org/ which is an exploration of how cultural collections get referenced by wikipedia (here standing in place of 'public knowledge'). There are two highly ranked New Zealand cultural collections on http://linkypedia.inkdroid.org/ , but further down the list are a whole lot of collections such as research repositories. Of course, measuring the monetary value of this public good is another matter entirely...
cheers stuart On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Mike <email obscured>> wrote: > Hi Julian, > > I think Laurence's point is worth discussing: "time to look at the CRI > Act to see whether it is fit for pupose in a connected data world." > > I would also like to see Treasury and Ministry of Transport included in > the discussions. MoT negotiate the contract with MetService, which > Treasury made a SOE to pay its own way. > > Regards Mike > > > > > > On 14/07/2010 9:27 a.m., Julian Carver wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm facilitating this event tomorrow. As Isabella says, it unfortunately >> wasn't possible this time for MoRST to include people from the open data >> community in the workshop (there are 110 registered attendees already from >> the research funders and providers). >> >> I am very hopeful that there'll be barcamp style opportunities in the near >> future to get the researchers/research data management folks together with >> people outside the research sector who understand how to build cool and >> useful things with open data. >> >> In the meantime if you have ideas/issues/requests for data/suggestions you >> think we should be considering at the event tomorrow I'd love to hear them. >> We've got a couple of hours of group discussion time and I'll make sure your >> suggestions get included. Email the list, or send suggestions directly to >> me. >> >> You can also follow the proceedings and make suggestions during the day on >> Twitter using the hashtag #researchdatamatters >> >> I'm hugely excited about the changes happening in the science system, the >> momentum that's building around opening up research data, and the increased >> impetus that the open government movement is giving this. Hopefully we can >> bring these efforts closer together and do some truly awesome things. >> >> Julian >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> Full text of this topic in The Open Government Ninjas: >> http://groups.open.org.nz/r/topic/2fPfyHkEpul6khCRn1Gf9f >> >> To leave The Open Government Ninjas, email >> <email obscured>?Subject=unsubscribe >> >> Start your own free groups and site with >> OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net >> >> Host your own online groups site with >> GroupServer http://groupserver.org > > > -- > Regards, Mike Pearson > +64 21 631 731 > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikepearsonnz > skype:mikepearsonnz > > > ----------------------------------------- > Full text of this topic in The Open Government Ninjas: > http://groups.open.org.nz/r/topic/5cOWZ99SzV5VSUgVJ8dRxi > > To leave The Open Government Ninjas, email > <email obscured>?Subject=unsubscribe > > Start your own free groups and site with > OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net > > Host your own online groups site with > GroupServer http://groupserver.org >
Hello All As you may be aware, MoRST launched the Environmental Data Management Policy Statement at the "Data Matters" workshop on 15 July. It is on our website at www.morst.govt.nz/edm . The statement is the product of a significant effort over the last two years, to which many people have contributed. MoRST gratefully acknowledges their willingness to dedicate time and insight to the creation of the Policy Statement, and we are eager to build on this achievement. MoRST is working with the research, science and technology sector and its stakeholders to get real progress on data management in New Zealand. As presented in Part 1 of the Policy Statement, we are working to build encouragements for better data management into New Zealand’s RS&T system. We are investigating the opportunities offered by the changes taking place in the science system, including the changes to CRIs, the National e-Research Infrastructure Strategy, and the Large-Scale Research Infrastructure strategy. The implementation of the Environmental Data Management Policy Statement over the coming months will be a prototype that will provide valuable experiences to all players, informing MoRST's future data management work with other science sectors. In the near term, MoRST and the Foundation for Research, Science and Technology will co-host an environmental data management practitioners’ workshop in late August / early September this year. Its focus will be determined soon, but it is likely to be about creating a practical framework that empowers players – particularly the practitioner community - to take collective leadership on environmental data management. We will be making best use of technology so that key participants can be involved with the minimum expense. This will be an invitation-only workshop; if you are interested in taking part or wish to suggest invitees, please reply to me at this email address. Please contact me if you have other questions about the Environmental Data Management Policy Statement, and see MoRST's website for information on our related work. http://www.morst.govt.nz/current-work/Science-Infrastructure-and-Data-Management/ We look forward to working with you on lifting New Zealand’s science data management.
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