All posts in the topic A few more ideas for http://opengovt.org.nz/ (Short link)
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- There are 10 posts — by 7 authors — in this topic.
- Latest post made by Gavin Treadgold at 2009 Jun 17 10:59 NZST
1. Do we all agree on http://wiki.opengovdata.org/index.php/OpenDataPrinciples If not why not? At the very least, it would be good to link to these, and if people think that NZ might want something different, let's begin the discussion... 2. How about a poll or blog post about the Top 10 datasets we would like to see: e.g. river flow data, police events, restaurant inspections, etc.
Jonathan > 1. Do we all agree on > http://wiki.opengovdata.org/index.php/OpenDataPrinciples > If not why not? At a glance they look good. Point 7 should be made clearer. Open data formats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_format) are required for many reasons, not least archival ones. Interestingly Brenda Wallace pointed me to the start of a list of these today: http://shallowsky.com/openformats/ > At the very least, it would be good to link to these, and if people think > that NZ might want something different, let's begin the discussion... > > 2. How about a poll or blog post about the Top 10 datasets we would like > to see: e.g. river flow data, police events, restaurant inspections, etc. *All* census data. As raw and granular as privacy laws allow.
Sorry, I should have included this link: http://shallowsky.com/blog/tech/open-formats-table.html and this: http://shallowsky.com/openformats/openup-talk.html as backgrounders to that table of open formats.
2009/6/16 <email obscured>>: > 1. Do we all agree on > http://wiki.opengovdata.org/index.php/OpenDataPrinciples > If not why not? I disagree with principle 8, license-free. I think it is reasonable for a license to exist for the purpose of ensuring attribution of the data source is given when the work is redistributed or derivative works are created. Have you seen the Open Knowledge Definition from the Open Knowledge Foundation? http://opendefinition.org/ Maybe we should consider using that instead, as it allows for licensed works that are suitably open.
I've added a feature request for a "request a dataset" style feature - http://opengovt.lighthouseapp.com/projects/32248-open-data-catalogue/tickets/5-have-a-form-for-datasets-wanted Not sure when I'll get to it but it is a good idea.
I'm quite happy to go with one overriding principle:
"Don't be a dick"
Work with the people who want the data to come up with a distribution
method that is fair to everybody and offers no exclusive access. That
would solve most of our problems right there.
I agree with Rob McKinnon about Principle 8. It doesn't have to be
copyright-free, just have a decent license attached, such as a creative
copyright attribution license. See Keitha's post in another topic about
copyright and licenses.
Since this group is also considering projects like porting WhatDoTheyKnow to
NZ, the Open Data Principles are also wrong for OIA issues. You're not
necessarily talking about opening up datasets there, but different kinds of
information.
Have suggested a principle of permanence in http://wiki.opengovdata.org/index.php/Talk:OpenDataPrinciples
+1 to permanence suggestion
+1 to allowing open data compatible licences such as CC-BY
+1 to clearly specified open data formats
I think that list makes a good starting list, but I get the feeling we
actually need to build it up into a guide/guideline document so that
we can actually provide advice, examples, clarification around what it
means. The we can start passing the URL/PDF around our Govt contacts
and use it as a communication tool to support the effort to open govt
data.
I've seen it before in emergency management where too little detail is
provided, and agencies struggle to deal with the great ambiguity that
is often involved with just a few guiding principles. If we really
want to be successful at this, we have to provide not only the
principles, but also the detail, hence specifying data formats and
why, specifying acceptable licences and why...
It would be pretty neat if we could get the like of Archives/National
Library to contribute some advice to it, as well as maybe SSC.
Cheers Gav